It's English (American) slang when someone makes something exactly like another - it is a ripoff of the design. Maybe you'd understand it as a knockoff?

And I understand Fred - I'm not "digging" into anyone - I'm not "condemning" or "abashing" I am however, defending the memory Phil and his legacy - after all, he isn't here anymore to do it himself.

Phil brought us a lot of good fonts - originals and not so original. He is definitely missed in the type community - and from what I remember, which could get shaky, the music industry too.

PS It's like Nick Curtis. Especially if you think of Creampuff. A knockoff of the design Eclat by Image Club. ITC now owns the rights to Eclat - but they no longer do the alternate lowercase "R" - which is what Nick Curtis used. I've written to ITC in the past and they would not do anything to pursue Creampuff's demise. But we all know, it was Eclat!

Check out Avant Garde with Alternatives in Bold. It may help you recreate tihs.

Now don't laugh - but you could rebuild this yourself - by modifying Trajan. It would be some work. Many of Disney's movies are handlettered titles (originals) and sometimes, just sometimes, based on a real font.

You are welcome. Glad to have been of some assistance.

Many fonts are borrowed from other fonts - How would we have had Hairline if it wasn't for Avant Garde?

That link shows 1978 - borrowed one year after the original design by Phil.

You are welcome - don't get caught up in any lawsuits.

You are most welcome, sonodaju. You knew the name - it was just a matter of digging around. I however do not understand SashiX's comment about flying birds - do you?

Thank you Claude that sort of makes some sense - that Don Solo picked it up.

If you are interested - Phil had a nice little interview at:
http://typographica.org/on-typography/interview-phil-martin/

When I had a typeshop - and needed my typositor fonts - I tried to get the A*I ones... VGC were good and clean, Chicago Typefounders were a mess - but A*I always had something new and exciting... good to use, and different in style.

I just found this online from the old Phil Martin site - doesn't say that much but it tells how it was developed (different from his in-person story... lol)
http://web.archive.org/web/20061112095229/http://mm2000s.net/PolaniseHistory.gif

Maybe Romana could help you out - and you "antique" yourself.
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/romana/

Just a thought...

I am not talking about the placement - I'm sure Claude drew this from scratch. That is not the "argument" I have here.

Maybe you had a type teacher, a mentor, you like. You listened to his stories - you learned about how he/she was inspired to create a font? That was Phil to me. One of my favorite san serif faces is Martin Gothic. I forgot the story behind that... but I do remember his Martin Souvenir - a font you will never see, and know so well...

Only the caps - and only a few of them. As you know, in books - not every letter of the alphabet is used in an opening for the chapter. It was his inspiration.

Because Phil Martin designed it in 1977.

http://www.youworkforthem.com/font/T1601/polonaise

Care to discuss how you think it is different?
http://www.dafont.com/chopin-script.font?text=Kaya&psize=l
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/urw/polonaise/urw-d-bold/glyphs.html

I'm just curious. I've written to Claude to see how he came up with his design.

Phil Martin, the designer has passed away. I know he was sued for taking the woman's capital letters and making a font from it. I do not know the financial outcome from it, but as you see Polonaise lives on. (PS I had the pleasure of taking a type course with Phil Martin - he is missed.)

Chopin Script is not the legit font. The legit font is Polonaise - like in Chopin's Polonaises....

Maybe one day you'll learn the story. The script capital letters where used as the opening letters for a book - a woman in Sweden used her own handwriting. From that, a font was developed called Polonaise.

Chopin is a rip off. Malvolio says the author is a mod here. I'd like to hear how he came up with it. Meaning the design of those beautiful capital letters.

I think this might be it. Hard to tell without the outline around it - but the letter shapes look accurate.

Very Similar -

Harold has other fonts like this there - look at Columbia while you are at it.

Nice find fmontpetit. - It is close... not exact - but close!

Have you looked at Times lately?
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/times/

No thank you - I've no need for it, but I'm glad you can continue with your work. Oh, and yes, you are most welcome.

You are most welcome.