probably Regular in weight.

I'm sorry malvolio - I was referring to the REBELLE part - I thought by now everyone knew that Disney's signature became a shareware font. My silly.

You are most welcome.

It could be something as simple as Helvetica Bold - http://www.myfonts.com/search/helvetica+bold/fonts/
or as complex as Chalet Book Bold - http://www.houseind.com/fonts/chaletbook

Depends if you know some more of the letters.

YW

Probably Medium - maybe Bold.

Fred, I agree with you. RoRo makes sure to keep it clean - and has proven so time and time again.

I asked Claude for his inspiration for his work - and he referred to Dan Solo's book about scripts - published in 1987.

But if you'd like we'll keep this topic closed.

The M is not Avant Garde. Century Gothic is a bit closer - but not the dot on the eye.
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/mti/century-gothic/

It's English (American) slang when someone makes something exactly like another - it is a ripoff of the design. Maybe you'd understand it as a knockoff?

And I understand Fred - I'm not "digging" into anyone - I'm not "condemning" or "abashing" I am however, defending the memory Phil and his legacy - after all, he isn't here anymore to do it himself.

Phil brought us a lot of good fonts - originals and not so original. He is definitely missed in the type community - and from what I remember, which could get shaky, the music industry too.

PS It's like Nick Curtis. Especially if you think of Creampuff. A knockoff of the design Eclat by Image Club. ITC now owns the rights to Eclat - but they no longer do the alternate lowercase "R" - which is what Nick Curtis used. I've written to ITC in the past and they would not do anything to pursue Creampuff's demise. But we all know, it was Eclat!

Check out Avant Garde with Alternatives in Bold. It may help you recreate tihs.

Now don't laugh - but you could rebuild this yourself - by modifying Trajan. It would be some work. Many of Disney's movies are handlettered titles (originals) and sometimes, just sometimes, based on a real font.

You are welcome. Glad to have been of some assistance.

Many fonts are borrowed from other fonts - How would we have had Hairline if it wasn't for Avant Garde?

That link shows 1978 - borrowed one year after the original design by Phil.

You are welcome - don't get caught up in any lawsuits.

You are most welcome, sonodaju. You knew the name - it was just a matter of digging around. I however do not understand SashiX's comment about flying birds - do you?

Thank you Claude that sort of makes some sense - that Don Solo picked it up.

If you are interested - Phil had a nice little interview at:
http://typographica.org/on-typography/interview-phil-martin/

When I had a typeshop - and needed my typositor fonts - I tried to get the A*I ones... VGC were good and clean, Chicago Typefounders were a mess - but A*I always had something new and exciting... good to use, and different in style.

I just found this online from the old Phil Martin site - doesn't say that much but it tells how it was developed (different from his in-person story... lol)
http://web.archive.org/web/20061112095229/http://mm2000s.net/PolaniseHistory.gif

Maybe Romana could help you out - and you "antique" yourself.
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/romana/

Just a thought...

I am not talking about the placement - I'm sure Claude drew this from scratch. That is not the "argument" I have here.

Maybe you had a type teacher, a mentor, you like. You listened to his stories - you learned about how he/she was inspired to create a font? That was Phil to me. One of my favorite san serif faces is Martin Gothic. I forgot the story behind that... but I do remember his Martin Souvenir - a font you will never see, and know so well...