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Font rip-offs

Sep 14, 2014 at 04:29

So I was looking through dafont and found two fonts identical to each other. Is this a problem? And does the moderator have the power to take down the copy?

Here's the link.

http://www.dafont.com/pselect.php?folder_id=99812


Sep 14, 2014 at 05:03

They're similar, but not identical. Comparison of Capital T:



As mentioned in the read me for Trinigan, this is a well known Art Nouveau typeface that has been digitalized several times. The original design was probably made between 1890 and 1910, or thereabouts. Trinigan has a larger character map, (ie: more symbols and accented characters), and appears to be more professionally rendered, based on this glyph, chosen randomly.

It's very common for more than one designer to make their own font version of an old design already digitalized by someone else. For example, the catalog of Elsner + Flake.


Sep 14, 2014 at 05:28

The font is originally a metal type named Columbian published by the Cleveland Type Foundry among others. This is a very old type and a specimen was republished by Dan X Solo in his Victorian Display Fonts (Dover), renamed the font as Glorietta and made his own digitization of the font which came out with the book. With a published specimen, expect several digitizations and are probably original digitizations based on the specimen. They did not just came out at the same time.

According to the Solopedia the following are the digitizations of the font: Glorietta (Solotype), P22Victorian Swash, Trinigan FG (Fontgrube), Goodfellow (Scriptorium), Bluegum Forest (Tris Nguyen, corrected by MEG). Burton'sNightmare (anon), and there are probably others. If you go to the linked page, hit Ctrl-F and search for Glorietta or scroll down to page 11.


Sep 14, 2014 at 05:43

metaphasebrothel said  
The original design was probably made between 1890 and 1910, or thereabouts.

Oct 6, 1891
Designer: Herman Ihlenberg


Sep 14, 2014 at 09:26

claudeserieux said  
metaphasebrothel said  
The original design was probably made between 1890 and 1910, or thereabouts.

Oct 6, 1891
Designer: Herman Ihlenberg

I just checked Wikipedia for the historical period for Art Nouveau, for the benefit of Geronimo. I don't think he read the read me for Trinigan.


Sep 14, 2014 at 15:15



Sep 14, 2014 at 15:31

Fontgrube/Andreas Höfeld is one of the few that places the font license and font description info in the header. So all Geronimo had to do was click properties and the description.
The Trinigan though also has too many errors, amongst which intersecting coordinates and/or contours in the wrong direction, grave, acute, circumflex cut of on the capitals and from the ~ on the ENIE hardly anything is still there. The never ending metrics story.
But the Trinigan is not alone with these sort of problems, I still have to find a version of this type that is error free, only checked for errors like intersecting coordinates and/or contours in the wrong direction, as all other errors are merely unimportant things like off curve extremes and redundant points:

OPTIGlorietta, Castcraft Software 1990??, 164 glyphs 47 errors

Although this seems to be the oldest (digital) version there is reasonable doubt as Castcraft had the habit of dating almost all their digital fonts 1990/1991. Could very well be 1994.

So, was David Nalle the first one making a digital version?

Goodfellow, Scriptorium 1993, 93 glyphs 9 errors
QK Eliza, Scriptorium 1993, 92 glyphs 9 errors
Gloriette, Scriptorium 1993, 93 glyphs 9 errors
Sinister, Compuworks 1994, 92 glyphs 4 errors
Rugklacht J, Julius B Thijssen 1995, 227 glyphs 13 errors
Wizard, SWFTE 1995, 92 glyphs 9 errors
Burton's Nightmare, Unknown 1996, 92 glyphs 9 errors
Nachtmere, Weatherly Systems 1997, 230 glyphs 13 errors
Infinite Sadness aka tsp mcis 1 1998, Burton's Nightmare font modified by Milan de Jong, 96 glyphs 11 errors
PS Bluegum Forest, Postsadness 1998, 128 glyphs 14 errors
Glorietta, Solotype 1998, 257 glyphs 42 errors
P22 Victorian Swash, P22 2001, 257 glyphs 40 errors
Glorietta, Solotype 2003, 255 glyphs 25 errors
Glorietta, Lazy Dog Foundry 2007, 172 glyphs 60 errors
Trinigan, Fontgrube 2012, 232 glyphs 16 errors

No guarantee that the list is complete.

Edited on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:50 by koeiekat


Sep 14, 2014 at 19:13

When my new font is posted, I challenge thekat to find any errors in it, regardless of how trivial those errors might be, (including extraneous nodes).

The font itself is finished, I just have the read me and illustrated guide to do, and a very elaborate promotional .gif to make. I should be able to do all of that in four weeks or less.

The gauntlet has been tossed.

Edited on Sep 14, 2014 at 19:32 by metaphasebrothel


Sep 14, 2014 at 19:38

I am pretty sure that you know how to check for errors/problems and solve those - if there would be one at all. But if you like I'll happily help you. Also before publishing



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