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Sep 09, 2012 at 17:23

I am not talking about the placement - I'm sure Claude drew this from scratch. That is not the "argument" I have here.

Maybe you had a type teacher, a mentor, you like. You listened to his stories - you learned about how he/she was inspired to create a font? That was Phil to me. One of my favorite san serif faces is Martin Gothic. I forgot the story behind that... but I do remember his Martin Souvenir - a font you will never see, and know so well...


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:25

1- Ce n'est pas Phil Martin qui a fait la version de Polonaise de URW.
2 - C'est le regretté Dan X Solo qui a donné de Chopin Script.

http://www.amazon.com/Script-Cursive-Alphabets-Calligraphy-Typography/dp/0486253066

3 - Le droit d'auteur sur le design d'une police de caractère est de 25 ans.


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:29

I'm sorry, but if you're not talking about the placement, and are sure that Claude drew the font himself, what's the point of calling this font a rip-off ?

I mean, cool story, but I really don't see the point. Two people drew two different fonts from maybe a similar source, that "look alike", but the result is different. Of course, one decided to make money, the other one gave it for free. That's another difference I can see.

Edited on Sep 09, 2012 at 17:31 by drf_


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:29

Thank you Claude that sort of makes some sense - that Don Solo picked it up.

If you are interested - Phil had a nice little interview at:
http://typographica.org/on-typography/interview-phil-martin/

When I had a typeshop - and needed my typositor fonts - I tried to get the A*I ones... VGC were good and clean, Chicago Typefounders were a mess - but A*I always had something new and exciting... good to use, and different in style.

I just found this online from the old Phil Martin site - doesn't say that much but it tells how it was developed (different from his in-person story... lol)
http://web.archive.org/web/20061112095229/http://mm2000s.net/PolaniseHistory.gif

Edited on Sep 09, 2012 at 17:32 by Heron2001


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:43

Les minuscules d'Album Script (Filmotype) ressemble beaucoup à Polonaise.

http://cjoint.com/12sp/BIjrIUWUnQd_album-script.png


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:45

Many fonts are borrowed from other fonts - How would we have had Hairline if it wasn't for Avant Garde?

That link shows 1978 - borrowed one year after the original design by Phil.


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:49

Still, I haven't had an answer to my question : "I'm sorry, but if you're not talking about the placement, and are sure that Claude drew the font himself, what's the point of calling this font a rip-off ?"

And especially since you admit that everyone is inspired by everyone ?

I'm sorry, but I'm really trying to understand here.


Sep 09, 2012 at 17:52

It's English (American) slang when someone makes something exactly like another - it is a ripoff of the design. Maybe you'd understand it as a knockoff?

And I understand Fred - I'm not "digging" into anyone - I'm not "condemning" or "abashing" I am however, defending the memory Phil and his legacy - after all, he isn't here anymore to do it himself.

Phil brought us a lot of good fonts - originals and not so original. He is definitely missed in the type community - and from what I remember, which could get shaky, the music industry too.

PS It's like Nick Curtis. Especially if you think of Creampuff. A knockoff of the design Eclat by Image Club. ITC now owns the rights to Eclat - but they no longer do the alternate lowercase "R" - which is what Nick Curtis used. I've written to ITC in the past and they would not do anything to pursue Creampuff's demise. But we all know, it was Eclat!

Edited 2 times. Last edit on Sep 09, 2012 at 17:55 by Heron2001


Sep 09, 2012 at 18:03

And I might not be the only one to misunderstand this. Ripoff, knockoff, might be similar words for 99% of the people that might actually see this thread and then might think that Dafont host fonts that aren't legit. As far as I'm concerned, I think there is no need to bring these subjects again and again, especially when they can be so easily misunderstood and bring confusion in the people's minds. Especially since we all know Dafont is the cleanest fonts website anybody can find.


Sep 09, 2012 at 18:09

I think you're right.


Sep 09, 2012 at 18:11

Fred, I agree with you. RoRo makes sure to keep it clean - and has proven so time and time again.

I asked Claude for his inspiration for his work - and he referred to Dan Solo's book about scripts - published in 1987.

But if you'd like we'll keep this topic closed.



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