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macron woes with Bitstream Charter

08.07.2014 um 04:47

OS: OpenSUSE
Desktop: Gnome
Windows Manager: XCFE


According to my charmap program, Bitstream Charter contains macron vowels. However, they all have greater weight than the straight vowels, and (possibly because they are a little squashed in x-height) the a-macron is single-storey while the normal a is double-storey. This results in a passage of Maori looking as though really bad substitution is happening.

The font also contains the unicode combining macron glyph. I tried using that with a normal a, and something (LibreOffice, the OS?) decided "this font has an a-macron, I'll substitute that" - cue gnashing of teeth.

(I would include a screenshot but I'm guessing that newbies don't get the right to attach images?)

Can anyone see a way around this other than switching to a different font for the entire passage?


08.07.2014 um 10:04

TaranakiCathedral sagte  
... I would include a screenshot but I'm guessing that newbies don't get the right to attach images?

You can, like this: [img ]imageURL[/img ] without the spaces after the g.

Bearbeitet am 30.06.2015 um 17:37 von dafont


08.07.2014 um 10:34

Which version and which face of Bitstream's Charter are you talking about?


08.07.2014 um 10:48

I will have a look when I get to work in the morning.


08.07.2014 um 23:55

It's Postscript (Type-1) version 2.0-1.0
browsing through charmap, a lot of the extended character set looks heavy.



For now, I'm setting this passage in URW Palladio-L instead.


09.07.2014 um 03:59

Bitstream Charter does not contain vowels macron.


09.07.2014 um 04:02

Then
1) Why is my font inspector showing them?
2) Why does the a + combining macron character combo get overridden then?


09.07.2014 um 04:32

okay: Experimenting with a font which makes it really obvious (archisto), some component in my system is attempting to make a wider unicode set available in every font (not all code points). There appears to be a serif and a sans-serif switched in to fill the gaps depending on the base font.

Now to identify what this system is and consider disabling it, as it doesn't seem to offer any positive benefits.


09.07.2014 um 10:01

claudeserieux sagte  
Bitstream Charter does not contain vowels macron.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/charter-bt-pro/roman/glyphs.html

Bearbeitet 3 mal. Zuletzt bearbeitet am 09.07.2014 um 14:57 von Rodolphe


09.07.2014 um 10:51

I don't have a solution, but this isn't a weight issue - the macron vowels that appear in the image you've posted belong to a different font. I would imagine the same thing is true for all of the accented characters.


09.07.2014 um 14:23

explogos.com sagte  
I don't have a solution, but this isn't a weight issue - the macron vowels that appear in the image you've posted belong to a different font. I would imagine the same thing is true for all of the accented characters.

Yes, looks like they are replaced by Linotype's Frutiger Next (Bold).


09.07.2014 um 17:04

@explogos, all versions of the Charter, ITC and BT have the Western European accents. Only the Bitstream pro otf version has also the Eastern European accents including the macron. Since TaranakiCathedral works with the Type1 version only the Charter Expert will have the characters needed.

@TaranakiCathedral, as English and Maori do not use Western European accents you can solve the problem by modifying the font file(s) a bit by changing the dieresis into a macron (in the standard ascii set all vowels have a dieresis). So it is simply changing 2 dots into a bar. Position is the same, size is the same ... thus ... bingo!


09.07.2014 um 19:24

koeiekat sagte  
@explogos, all versions of the Charter, ITC and BT have the Western European accents. Only the Bitstream pro otf version has also the Eastern European accents including the macron. ...

Also Paratype version has also the Eastern European accents.

http://www.paratype.com/pstore/fonts/ITC-Charter.htm


09.07.2014 um 19:52

Yep. Of course


11.07.2014 um 20:44

Quick check shows that the Paratype version is the BT Pro with the Cyrillic characters added.


15.07.2014 um 02:53

koeiekat sagte  
explogos.com sagte  
I don't have a solution, but this isn't a weight issue - the macron vowels that appear in the image you've posted belong to a different font. I would imagine the same thing is true for all of the accented characters.

Yes, looks like they are replaced by Linotype's Frutiger Next (Bold).

...which is interesting, since I don't have Frutiger anything on my system. I have installed Fontforge and am trying to make sense of it.
(For example, the glyphs don't follow the unicode sequence - I guess the font predates unicode - and if I copy ä and paste it into an unused position, it replaces ALL the unused boxes)

Is there a good crash course on how to add glyphs to a font?

Richard


15.07.2014 um 03:17



30.06.2015 um 00:39

A year later, but I have just found a solution to this problem:
The (free licensed) font Claris SIL is based on Bitstream Charter and has an extended character set.

I'm happy - now to update all our file templates!



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